Fun with my pal Pete at CLF

I’ll be livin’ in a van, down by the river.

doug maxfield says:

 

February 24, 2012 at 6:50 am

 

4000 mt won’t make a difference. No one is willing to admit defeat on the catch share fiasco just yet, but it’s time someone put on their big boy pants.
Sure, everyone can claim that the science in 2008 was flawed. But it does seem coincidental that it confirmed exactly what the fishermen were seeing. Four years later and no one wants to look at what part of the equation has changed. I believe your advice, Mr. Shelley, was to “make it work”.
Trust me, people are trying. But what happens when the number of boats able to fish is cut in half AND the fish are gone?

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  • Peter Shelley says:

     

     

    ‘Make it work’ still sounds like a viable, maybe the only, option to me. There is no logic or data to lay the new lower science assessment on GOM cod on sectors. They were not responsible for the changes in weights-at-age that the new assessment used or the high recreational catches. The estimated-to-be-strong 2003 year class, which never recruited into the fishery, would have done so before the start of the expanded sector program in 2009 and didn’t show up then. There is no indication that the sector program caused the loss of the estimated-to-be-strong 2005 year class or was any worse than a days-at-sea program with trip limits would have been in the discard category (and sector trips were observed at much higher levels than DAS boats). More likely that the 2003 and 2005 cohorts just weren’t as strong as estimated.

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  • doug maxfield says:

     

     

    Trip limits brought this fishery back from the brink. And I think its interesting you should bring up observers…because when you can talk to them in a setting where they are no afraid to loose their jobs for speaking their minds you hear how willing their ‘higher-ups’ are to cherry pick their data to provide numbers on paper for people who have not seen this process unfold first hand. ie. you.
    You’re right…discards were a huge problem in the days at sea fishery with trip limits. The solution should not have been to make it legal for 100 footers to make 20,000lb. tows on Stellwagon with allocation they bought.

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  • Peter Shelley says:

     

     

    Well, I hear you and that’s your perspective. There are plenty of other fishermen who would disagree with you that “trip limits brought this fishery back from the brink” and you don’t provide any real data to support your claim. The sector program, by the way, does not make the former unreported or regulatory discarding legal; it makes the fishery accountable for that catch for the first time.

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    • doug maxfield says:

       

       

      What is ‘real data’? You want the logbooks from the last ten years that show plain and simple that fewer nets of greater mesh size were needed to catch more fish? I’ve got that. But ‘data’ seems useless when it can all be swept under the rug with “we were wrong then, we’re right now”. What if we were right then and wrong now?
      BTW, I watched six large, offshore boats cartwheeling in a small area last week and wiping out a massive amount of western GOM haddock. Some of these boats had no haddock allocation and are trying to purchase it now to cover their catch. The price crashed and in less than two days the fish were gone. I guess they just made it work.

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  • Peter Shelley says:

     

     

    CLF’s position is that those trip boats should not be working inshore areas, period, and we have said so publicly at the mike and in writing. I’ve checked the Amendment 16 record for any written comments you may have made raising this very strong position you hold about the damage some trip boats are causing. I couldn’t find any or maybe you just went to the mike? How come? Were you expecting others to carry your water? Of course, it’s OK to break bad on the internet but it doesn’t mean anything to the people who are making the decisions here.

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  • Doug maxfield says:

     

     

    Try amendment 18. Also working with Nama when possible. Unfortunately, my job is to fish, not go to meetings which are generally held mid-morning for some reason. And just who are the people ‘making the decisions here’? I guess we’ll see when the IG begins playing his flute.

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One Response to “Fun with my pal Pete at CLF”

  1. Meredith Mendelson Says:

    Hey Doug–It’s been a while. Can we catch up? I have comments that I’d prefer to make to you and Peter in person, and I’d like to hear your perspective live over the wire. Call me sometime when it works for you. 202-224-6965.
    –Meredith

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